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x_Vista
 
| | #1 posted July 3, 2008 at 3:18pm (EDT) |
on 2-Jul-2008 at 12:44pm x_Vista Where is my game?
on 25-Jun-2008 at 3:13pm x_Vista awesome
on 25-Jun-2008 at 1:09pm InigoMontoya Yeah, it arrived yesterday while I was at work. Your game is going out today.
on 25-Jun-2008 at 12:13pm x_Vista hey man, you must of recieved already! Can you please ship my game?
on 18-Jun-2008 at 4:33pm x_Vista I sent on 18-Jun-2008.
Should some in 3 days. Enjoy, and good luck with your bills!
on 17-Jun-2008 at 6:44pm x_Vista Pending trade created.
on 17-Jun-2008 at 6:44pm InigoMontoya Offer Accepted
on 17-Jun-2008 at 6:32pm x_Vista Offer Created
Still havent gotten here, yet mail is here already.
I just filed a BTR on another guy, and removed it. I really dont wanna file another one on this guy.... | ndrake
 
 
| | #2 posted July 3, 2008 at 4:13pm (EDT) |
Ease up, dude. It can take a while for mail to go across the country. | mmm40x
 
 
| | #3 posted July 3, 2008 at 4:19pm (EDT) |
Wow. I hope bill will expunge the BTR you've already filed. That was extremely premature. BTR's are serious business. You should not be so quick to ruin someones rep. You need to be a lot more patient. | x_Vista
| | #4 posted July 3, 2008 at 4:23pm (EDT) |
More patient for teh last one?
I removed it, but 11 days for regular mail?!?!?
Plus he lied numerous times. | Aragon
| | #5 posted July 3, 2008 at 4:25pm (EDT) |
Eh, people shouldn't be able to file btr's until they are a silver star or up, or they file them too quick like this idiot
 | x_Vista
| | #6 posted July 3, 2008 at 4:29pm (EDT) |
Wow, chill out.
I didnt file one on Indigo yet, and 11 days for regular mail is BS.
I can prove that he lied, and also another member said he had problems with him too. | Grenadier
 
| #7 posted July 3, 2008 at 4:40pm (EDT)
edited July 3, 2008 at 4:41pm (EDT) |
x_Vista wrote:
> I didnt file one on Indigo yet, and 11 days for regular
> mail is BS.
Depends on how he sent it. He's in California, you're in New York. If he sent Media Mail, as many users do, a week plus is not unusual.
Plus, it hasn't been 11 days. It's been 8. He says he's sending on the 25th. That's a week ago yesterday.
Calm down, stay polite in your messages to him, and do something else for another week or so, minimum. Given that tomorrow is the holiday, you won't be getting it then either, and that's basically a lost day as far as mail is concerned. In any case, it is WAY too early to file a BTR. and any such BTR will likely get deleted.
Click here to join Goozex and get a free game! | x_Vista
| | #8 posted July 3, 2008 at 5:14pm (EDT) |
Grenadier wrote:
> x_Vista wrote:
>> I didnt file one on Indigo yet, and 11 days for regular
>> mail is BS.
>
> Depends on how he sent it. He's in California, you're in New York.
> If he sent Media Mail, as many users do, a week plus is not unusual.
>
> Plus, it hasn't been 11 days. It's been 8. He says he's sending
> on the 25th. That's a week ago yesterday.
>
> Calm down, stay polite in your messages to him, and do something else
> for another week or so, minimum. Given that tomorrow is the holiday,
> you won't be getting it then either, and that's basically a lost day
> as far as mail is concerned. In any case, it is WAY too early
> to file a BTR. and any such BTR will likely get deleted.
>
>
No.
I meant the BTR I filed on another guy was because a money order took 11 days. It turned out to be cash, so he obviously lied when he said "I sent the Money Order" | mmm40x
| | #9 posted July 3, 2008 at 5:15pm (EDT) |
Or misspoke. | _kate_
 
| | #10 posted July 3, 2008 at 5:22pm (EDT) |
Regardless, 11 days on the first BTR isn't that long. Within my own country I've waited up to a month to get anything ground mail, and shipping and recieving internationally has been as bad or worse. The first BTR was premature, and just slapping someone with a BTR when you're tired of waiting won't suffice.
In regards to this one, as of today, it's only been nine days, and really, technically, eight, because it probably didn't get out of the postal centre on the first day. Calm down. Slow down. Go for a walk or something.
Feel better? Okay. Good.
On the site BTRs are serious, and most often the last resort. Have some patience with other traders. Not everyone is here to rip you off, and no one can make the mail go faster.
 | RiseAgainst540
| #11 posted July 3, 2008 at 5:51pm (EDT)
edited July 3, 2008 at 5:54pm (EDT) |
You said 11 days on the first BTR you filed. You said in your BTR that you filed it a WEEK after he said he sent. A WEEK.
I waited almost 3 weeks for priority mail only a zone away. It got here. USPS lost it. It happens.
I agree with the BTR after silver. or a system that doesn't allow a BTR to be filed until 30 days after the trade is pended.
Edit: you said over a week, but then gave the exact date which was only 8 postal days.
Wait a lil before you file.
 | MolestoTheClown
| | #12 posted July 3, 2008 at 6:31pm (EDT) |
Aragon wrote:
> Eh, people shouldn't be able to file btr's until they are a silver
> star or up, or they file them too quick like this idiot
>
I don't think they should be blocked from filing a BTR, but the BTR should probably require moderator review before becoming active.
 | RiseAgainst540
| | #13 posted July 3, 2008 at 6:56pm (EDT) |
I like that idea too. Damn...
bill?
| John
 
 
| | #14 posted July 3, 2008 at 7:54pm (EDT) |
Wow -- I think you're all freaking over nothing. This is a new user that shipped and then, 11 days later, didn't get their side. I can see them being pretty frustrated. Especially when it appears this is the SECOND time he's had problems already!
Yes, I know the other trader(s) are probably "good traders" and blah, blah, blah -- but, heck, it really looks to me like they've waited way too long to do their part.
Plus, he didn't even FILE a BTR on this one -- he filed a BTR on another guy after 11 days -- and then removed it. Yes, 11 days is premature but I can certainly understand the fear that a new user has when they have to ship first -- and do so -- and then the other side just sits there.
All he did was ASK about the problem and mentioned that he doesn't WANT to have to file another BTR. You don't need to go off like GameTZ needs to be modified to save us from newbie BTRs! If one files one too soon, it can be reviewed and expunged if necessary. If the "good" trader has a mark for a day or so while it gets looked into, so be it -- that's why they get for being a "good" trader that waits 2 weeks to ship. heh.
- John...
I kissed a girl.
(And I liked it.) | Boss
 
| | #15 posted July 3, 2008 at 8:27pm (EDT) |
I think he needs a Mentor. | Grenadier
| | #16 posted July 3, 2008 at 9:43pm (EDT) |
Boss wrote:
> I think he needs a Mentor.
QFT!
Click here to join Goozex and get a free game! | x_Vista
| #17 posted July 3, 2008 at 9:55pm (EDT)
edited July 3, 2008 at 9:56pm (EDT) |
Dont need to be so rude. i was just pointing it out, in hope if someone else had any problems.
Chill out.
Edit: THANK YOU JOHN. SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS ME! | InigoMontoya
| | #18 posted July 3, 2008 at 11:19pm (EDT) |
C'mon, is Inigo really that hard to spell? It's just five letters! :)
Jesse, I've responded via the trade messages, but here's the skinny - I'm out of town until Saturday because my brother got married today.
As others have pointed out, nothing's going to happen tomorrow because of the holiday. Let me know if anything does or doesn't show on Saturday, and we'll go from there. | junkeater77
| | #19 posted July 3, 2008 at 11:39pm (EDT) |
Well.... remind me to never trade with this guy...
Some people are like slinkies. Serve absolutely no point in life, but put a smile on your face when you push them down the stairs.
| Pyramid_Party
 
| | #20 posted July 4, 2008 at 1:25am (EDT) |
Silver star and up filing BTRs only is a bad idea and unfair. Some new users could have a legitimate reason to file BTRs, they can be ripped off as well. What a better idea could be is, Maybe let BTRs only be filed after atleast 2 weeks or 3 weeks from pending the trade. This will control how soon a BTR is filed.
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| | #21 posted July 4, 2008 at 1:27am (EDT) |
Or we could just keep it like it is.
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Signature. | kzn
 
| | #22 posted July 4, 2008 at 1:31am (EDT) |
SmarmySir wrote:
> Or we could just keep it like it is.
>
I like the way you think.
 | Wii
| | #23 posted July 4, 2008 at 2:27am (EDT) |
junkeater77 wrote:
> Well.... remind me to never trade with this guy...
>
>
Not trading with a new user who got nervous is a great reason to avoid him.
 | monkeysmadness
 
| | #24 posted July 4, 2008 at 2:49am (EDT) |
And now, my two cents. It's pretty much all in accordance with what John said, but here it is.
First off, to Jesse - I realize your concern and I understand your actions. When I was a new user on eBay, I filed a neutral feedback on a guy with a perfect record because I sent payment and hadn't heard anything from him a few days later - in essence, I told him I sent and he didn't say "OK, I'll tell you when I get the check," so I neutraled him. Bad idea, but I was new and antsy about getting ripped off. I understand your reasons for filing a BTR on the first guy, and I'm glad you asked advice on the trade with Inigo. My advice would be like everyone else's. It's only been 6 mailing days since he said he sent, and like _kate_ said, it probably didn't leave the PO on the first day. I'd give it another week before worrying too much about it. If it hasn't arrived within a week, try talking to Inigo, and if he doesn't respond after a few days (I'd say 3), then e-mail the moderators. If all else fails, then is the time to file a BTR. Sometimes things get lost or held up in the mail.
To everyone else - ease off the guy. We don't want to scare away new traders, do we? I know that BTR's are serious business and should not be used hastily, but the least you could do is tell Jesse in a civil, polite manner. Calling him an idiot for filing a BTR so early on in his GTZ career is unnecessary. He's new to the site, so perhaps he doesn't quite understand how serious a BTR is. Now he does, and hopefully he'll continue to trade on the site and never have to file one.
/me steps down from soapbox
| bill
| | #25 posted July 4, 2008 at 7:39am (EDT) |
InigoMontoya killed my father | bill
| | #26 posted July 4, 2008 at 8:31am (EDT) |
Here's a kind of general principle that I apply to most situations on the site:
It's best to avoid creating a new rule to apply to a large group of people, when the problem happens very rarely and is really just one or a few people doing the undesirable thing. In that case, it's best to address the issue specifically with the person or people causing the problem. Then, the larger group (who behave well, in general) don't have to suffer under the new rule.
No BTR has been filed against InigoMontoya yet. Though, honestly, he is a bit late and I hope/expect he'll send very soon to make sure this doesn't become a problem.
x_Vista is perhaps jumping the gun a little, but he's new and it is tough being a new trader with everyone expecting you to send first. He's had to wait a while for these traders to send his side and that's clearly nerve-wracking. I think coaching him to be patient is probably the best thing, but lets not come down on him too hard either.
We do already review all BTRs. The review is done after the BTR gets filed, but that's not much of a problem. Since there isn't always a moderator around, it's better that way. In some cases, it can be important to get the BTR as soon as possible to warn traders of a dangerous situation. If the BTR is bogus, it's easy to clean it up after the fact (though cases like this are rare). Most BTRs are valid. Really, I would say we have more of a problem with newbs just not filing a BTR at all and problems go unreported.
x_Vista did file a BTR on shaun and it was a bit premature. And shaun did resolve it within a couple days. But, I noticed that shaun has 3 other BTRs in his past. So, that gave me some hesitation. Actually, it has been a few years (4) since his last BTR. So, perhaps I should cut him some slack and expunge it. Sometime, if the BTR receiver doesn't email us, stuff like this can slip through the cracks. I can see that shaun has nearly 300 trades, so maybe he deserves a break here. I'm going to review the whole case some more and decide.
In general, with all BTR situations, I appreciate getting a reminder if something isn't quite right. We do review them, but we can miss stuff too. | Belladonna
| | #27 posted July 4, 2008 at 9:23am (EDT) |
Inigo is one of the best traders on the site........enough said | John
| | #28 posted July 4, 2008 at 9:38am (EDT) |
Belladonna wrote:
> Inigo is one of the best traders on the site........enough said
Actually, it isn't "enough said". You make it sound like since he is "one of the best traders" he is free to send late and not have any consequences.
Don't get me wrong -- he seems like a great trader MOST of the time. But he was still late here -- and not being "one of the best traders" in this specific instance.
- John...
I kissed a girl.
(And I liked it.) | x_Vista
| | #29 posted July 4, 2008 at 10:15am (EDT) |
InigoMontoya wrote:
> C'mon, is Inigo really that hard to spell? It's just five letters!
> :)
>
> Jesse, I've responded via the trade messages, but here's the skinny
> - I'm out of town until Saturday because my brother got married today.
>
> As others have pointed out, nothing's going to happen tomorrow because
> of the holiday. Let me know if anything does or doesn't show on Saturday,
> and we'll go from there.
lol, sorry about spelling...
Anyway yeah, you talked to me and I know today is July 4th.
I will wait some more and tell you when i get it. Im just really eager to finish the game since I rented it and had to return it, yet I was enjoying it so much. | Smaug317
| | #30 posted July 4, 2008 at 3:39pm (EDT) |
bill wrote:
> InigoMontoya killed my father
That is the question. | colon
| | #31 posted July 4, 2008 at 3:49pm (EDT) |
Well that wasn't very nice of him.
"Do you know what it's like going through life being better than everyone? It's hard!" - CM Punk | Wii
| | #32 posted July 4, 2008 at 5:20pm (EDT) |
Belladonna wrote:
> Inigo is one of the best traders on the site........enough said
# of trades are irrelevant, when it comes to sending late, or not staying in contact.
This is not the case here, it is just a new trader jumping the gun.
| bill
| | #33 posted July 4, 2008 at 5:27pm (EDT) |
It's not number of trades that maters, it's number of icons. | _kate_
| | #34 posted July 4, 2008 at 5:37pm (EDT) |
Maters, eh?
| Neko
| | #35 posted July 4, 2008 at 6:57pm (EDT) |
Yup, bill like them maters. | Belladonna
| | #36 posted July 4, 2008 at 9:59pm (EDT) |
John wrote:
> Belladonna wrote:
>> Inigo is one of the best traders on the site........enough said
>
> Actually, it isn't "enough said". You make it sound like since he
> is "one of the best traders" he is free to send late and not have
> any consequences.
>
> Don't get me wrong -- he seems like a great trader MOST of the time.
> But he was still late here -- and not being "one of the best traders"
> in this specific instance.
>
One or two trades that have some quirks or difficulties is not unusual...a 98.3% overall rate for close to 180 trades isnt shabby. Inigo is always polite, courteous and consistent in our trades...therefore to me...one of the best IMO and I have traded with many perhaps most. Just my opinion......as you are certainly entitled to yours. | John
| | #37 posted July 4, 2008 at 11:43pm (EDT) |
That's fine. I'm not saying he's a bad person. I'm saying that people mess up now and then -- and if he messes up with a newbie to the point of needing a BTR, then so be it. The idea that it is "enough said" to say that he's one of the best people here just isn't accurate to me. I just don't think it is right to suggest that because someone is "one of the best" traders here that that somehow means that that is the be-all, end-all of any arguments against him.
In other words, I don't agree with the "always side with the long-term guy over the newbie" argument. If a multi-star trader here screws up with a newbie, then that newbie still has the right to complain about it. And, if that trade should continue to go poorly, he has the right to file a BTR. (I realize it wasn't you that suggested that newbies not be able to make BTRs -- but it was suggested in this thread for the same sort of reasoning/attitude).
In any case, it is great that he was always courteous in trades with you. From what I can tell, he wasn't overly courteous in THIS trade. Now, he might have a reason for it -- and I'm sure he'll get it all corrected -- but the newbie still has a point regardless.
- John...
I kissed a girl.
(And I liked it.) | Xena
| | #38 posted July 6, 2008 at 9:07pm (EDT) |
Neko wrote:
> Yup, bill like them maters.
i prefer taters over maters any day.
 | Neko
| | #39 posted July 6, 2008 at 11:15pm (EDT) |
Xena wrote:
> Neko wrote:
>> Yup, bill like them maters.
>
> i prefer taters over maters any day.
>
>
 | DummyP
 
| | #40 posted July 11, 2008 at 1:48am (EDT) |
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